And one trait we've seen in Darkfriends in high places is that theyre cunning. They have to be, because stupid Darkfriends exposed to that kind of power and position and therefore scrutiny are incredibly vulnerable. The Game of Houses almost demands that that kind of secret be ferreted out. A commoner has no problem hiding it because he's a lowly commoner, and can afford to be a bit more clumsy about it, but Wieramon is the dumbest noble we've met, and in addition, he hasn't been overtly obvious about DF tendencies, meaning he probably isn't.
You just can't keep that kind of secret for that long when you're that stupid. And it can be said that it takes great cunning to be playing the fool to deliberately mess up a persons plans, and keeping them thinking you're just a fool. He seems incredibly stupid, yet he always seems to survive being stupid, showing he's not just what he seems or he has a better time surviving than Rand does. Gedwyn was idly playing with his reins, his features cold with contempt.
The Tairen was red-faced. He glared as if he wanted to kill Bertome. The Asha'man's ever-present smile melted away. The wind gusted, cold and sharp as clouds drifted across the sun, but no colder than Gedwyn's sudden stare.
With a small shock Bertome realized the man also wanted to strike him dead on the spot. Gedwyn's icily murderous gaze did not change, but Weiramon's face underwent a remarkable transformation.
The red faded slowly as he produced a smile in an instant, an oily smile with only a trace of mocking condescension. With his own hands, I hear. Frankly, I was surprised you came when he called. I've seen him watching you.
I fear he plans something more A good many thought to manipulate him with Colavaere's death. She had been his favorite cousin, but ambitious beyond reason.
Saighan had good claims to the Sun Throne, yet she could not have held it against the strength of Riatin or Damodred either one, let alone both together, not without the open blessings of the White Tower or the Dragon Reborn.
Still, she bad been his favorite. What did Weiramon want? Certainly not what it seemed on the surface. Even this Tairen oaf was not that simple. But anyway, whether Weiramon is a Darkfriend of not doesn't matter on this discussion: he's not Demandred in desguise, if it's even the one the person originally meant.
I never really considered that quote in that Light. Or lack thereof, I suppose ;. I still don't think he's a Darkfriend, but that is suspicious, and, as you said, its irrelevant. Halwin Norry killed Asmodean, by the way. No, i wasn't talking about Darlin, because he does, as you said, pop up all over the place. Um, about Norry killing Asmo, is there a thoery that i've missed somewhere?!?! It seems the Forsaken like to keep their spheres of influence seperate from each others. As such, the Forsaken would be spread out among the different factions or realms in the world.
Also, I would think that we can assume that one Forsaken would not move into the realm of a former, now dead, Forsaken because of how petty they are towards each other.
So if we take RJ's statement that we haven't seen Demandred's alter ego in action, then we should try to figure out where he is so that we can go "That's him! To begin I think we can start by eliminating places and factions. I only looked at each area's positions of power since Demandred was a general, and he doesn't seem like the type to surround himself with rabble. Altara - overrun by the Seanchan.
Demandred isn't likely to be in a place under the influence of another of the Forsaken Semirhage. Tarabon - also overrun by the Seanchan, Ituralde leading other Taraboners against them.
Demandred can't be Ituralde because Ituralde has too much history, as well as currently being a pawn of Graendal to some degree. Cairhien - Game of Houses is way too confusing for someone to just come and blend in. Also, I think it's unlikely Demandred could have held in his hate of Lews Therin for Rand to have held Cairhien as he has. Murandy - NOT attacked by the Seanchan, despite bordering Seanchan controlled lands, lots of internal fighting with hordes of Dragonsworn, Whitecloaks were causing even more chaos, yet the supposedly weak King Roedran manages to survive all that and is now strengthening his position, with help from the Band of the Red Hand.
I think King Roedran could be a good possibility, since he's a leader like Demandred being a general among chaos, hiring the Band could count as an attempt to get Mat Mat left only a short while before the hiring , and we haven't actually seen Roedran, which keeps him within RJ's "have yet to see Demandred's alter ego".
Ghealdan - also lots of chaos, the Prophet being the unofficial head honcho there. But I think Masema only source of influence within the Dragonsworn can't be Demandred since he was already a battle hardened soldier with lots of history when Rand went to Shienar, when only Ishamael, Aginor, and Belthamel were unsealed. Far Madding - no True Source there, no Demandred. Mayene - too small, influence done by politics of Berelain , no Demandred. Aiel - customs prevent anyone other than the Car'a'carn from using the Aiel, and they've been around Rand too long--see the Cairhien reasoning.
Tinkers and Amayar - pacifists, enough said. Shara - a footnote at best. Sea Folk - women controlled society, despite the presence of a "Master of the Blades", also focused more on trade, so not as useful to someone like Demandred presumably. Borderlands - we've seen Agelmar for Shienar too early for him to be Demandred, and Bashere for Saldaea is too close to Rand, as well as being Faile's father. Kandor and Arafel's country and military leaders probably also have too much history to be Demandred.
And on a side note, since there's not really any other place to put this, not Gareth Bryne either, having met Rand too early on, as well as being displaced by Rahvin. So, if we assume Demandred is some sort of leader and not a commoner, that the Forsaken don't encroach on each other, that they don't replace each other and that I haven't left out any factions, lands or major suspects, then my best guess for Demandred's identity would be King Roedran of Murandy.
My follow up guesses would be some unintroduced general from the Borderlands, followed by someone completely new. Taim is Demandred. Wait, don't reply yet : My idea here is that Taim is -Rand's- Demandred. This makes more sense if we assume that everything that has happened, will happen again.
The lace of an age will be spun again with only small changes in the pattern each age. If that is the case, then the roles each Forsaken had before they were Forsaken, will need to be filled by someone in Rand's life as the Wheel cannot spin them out over again since they are Forsaken and still around. New people, old roles. It's all about balance. I think the key to finding Demandred has to be in LoC. We see him in the beginning and at the end. He asks the GLotD, "haven't I done well.
The problem I see is that Rand's capture is huge in the book and he obviously was part of Mesana's scheme but we dont have direct involement by a male that we can see. Another huge thing that happened in LoC is the founding of the Black Tower. Another incident was that the Saldeans came to Andor.
We also have in a later book one of the other Forsaken yelling at Aginor that he and Demandred were supposed to keep an eye on Rand. So putting these together it has to be something to do with the Black Tower.
I think that Demandred is in the Black Tower as someone we have not seen yet because knows the four renegades that attack Rand later in PoD. This also puts Demandred with male channelers, Messana with the female channelers, and Semmirhage with the Senchan sp?
This shows the three penetrating the three strongest groups of channelers in Randland. No offense to the wise ones or Sea folk is intended in that statement.
Mythman: That's an interesting idea there. Kind of like Min shares very similar characteristics to Ilyena, or it is implied. The only problem is it doesn't seem like a necessary thing to be required. I could see needing a woman for Rand to fall in love with, but in the big scheme of things, compared to the forsaken and rebellions, the dissension created by Taim doesn't seem to be essential to the end result.
But I agree it is entirely possible, given all the clues that we have seen of him. It could also be said that it wasn't necessarily what the pattern was trying to do, but it was something that would naturally happen. The person who is second best always feels like he is being slighted in someway because people like the other guy better.
It could just be human nature repeating itself. Callandor, give it up before you get an aneurism It's like the evolution debate going on. It is a really sad situation when the author of a well planned-out, well thought-out series states FLATLY that something isn't so, and the people turn around and say that the author must be wrong about his own series.
Just ignore them and they'll go away ;. Jak: Consider this along with what I said.. Rand is -not- the Creator's champion, he is the Champion of the Wheel. It is his job and the other two as well to bring Balance back where it has started to tip out.
Remember, it is said in one of the books that in ages past, the Dragon has been turned to the Shadow.. I'd have to find the exact quote, but I cannot think of a better example of balance going where balance is needed.
It is the nature of any wheel to have a need to be balanced. We get hit over the head with the concept of balance in these books from almost the very first pages. The Wheel -wants- to achieve balance, it seeks it.. In this age.. Rand, Matt and Perin. Three that the Wheel spins patterns -around- in order to achieve balance. The neat thing about it is, the Wheel should use a similar method to achive balance again.. Once in an age past, the Wheel spun out LTT and his companions.
Wouldn't it make sense to try that again? Spin out Rand and some other version of his companions? Therfore, balance should happen somewhere as far as the Forsaken are considered as well. It just makes sense from a balance point of view, that the Light should have a counter part for each one of the Forsaken. The irony here of course is that the Forsaken are outside of the Wheel to some degree as they exist and cannot be 'respun' back into the pattern.
Therefore, something similar, but just a bit different, should be spun into thier place instead. This is of course all the preamble to my first theory. I have a hunch on my next reading that I should be able to match up the counterparts of balance through events. I think we'll find that some major character vanishes or spins out each time one of the Forsaken do.
Likewise, everytime a Forsaken plays too much a part in events, another major character arrives. Can people please leave taim alone?
All it is is that he wants to be like the other male forsaken. Mythman: I know the pattern requires balance. But there is also the fact that the pattern changes ever so slightly with each turning. And would you not agree whether or not there is someone in this age who plays the exact same role that Demandred plays in the aol is fairly minor. I'm not going to say its impossible, because I believe it is quite possible it is, but the fact of it is there is no evidence to solidly back it up.
But I consider it moot since Jordan effectively said the Dragon never has turned with his comment "You believed Ishamael?! The Dragon has never turned. Is his thread removed from the Pattern, or are threads and souls different things alltogether? A: Err, they are Oh, uhm, no, it is gone. It is gone. And it ceases to exist in any form that you could of as real. Q: So threads and souls are the same thing? A: Err, not the same thing, but they must coexist.
The thread can be removed; you die in this world. You die and the soul remains to come again and begin another thread. The soul disappears from this Gray Man, it's gone. Think of the Dark One as having eaten it. It's a fiction, but a convenient fiction for the moment. The thread of the Gray Man remains until the Gray Man dies, physically. Q: And the rest of the Shadowspawn?
A: What? Do they have souls you mean? Q: Yeah, and how do their threads work. A: The threads work in the way, in the same way that the thread of any living thing works. It is part of the Pattern. They are not outside of the Pattern. Neither are the Forsaken. But the Pattern in a thing that is open, that's change. It is not a matter of the lives being forced necessarily. It's wide, you have the Pattern, the Heroes that are bound to the Wheel, they're not always heroes in the way of someone who rides in galloping with a sword, or carries out daring rescues.
The people, the Heroes who are bound to the Wheel, are the corrective mechanisms. Human behaviour is throwing the Pattern out. It's throwing the balance off. And the Wheel spins out the proper correctives. Put everything back in the balace. So not even the Forsaken are apart from that, they're not outside. The only things that are outside are the Creator and the Dark One. Neither affected by the Pattern. Callandor, your arguement against Taimandred seems to be based on what jordan said in an interview.
However, RJ has repeatedly warned that he'll not divulge information that he intends to reveal in forthcoming books. Well, most of the time. If Taim is to be reveled as Demandred, i dont see RJ letting us off the hook till he's good and ready. He has never said no right out that i recall.
I suggest you put that fine mind of yours to tackling the theory's points on its merit without allowing that statement to limit discussion. As for the theory itself, ablar made some fine points and managed to link the two pretty well in my opinion. But i thought the relationship btw Taim, Dashiva and Demandred is especially telling.
RJ has said there are no new forsaken and why. If so, why would Dashiva allow Taim to command LT's death? Any of the forsaken would have taken the opportunity to take over.
And he was one of the strongest in the AOL, with more knowledge than anyone in htis age who managed to teach himself unless he knows otherwise. The other problem is that it would be impossible to explain taim any other way than as demandred. Consider for example,Taim's age. Rand was certain he must have been channeling for 15yrs-how? If taim had channelled that long he'd have slowed. How does he survive the taint that long?
As a darkfriend? In saldea? And rand says to be suspicious of anyone who learns too fast forget taim's blushes at that point yet taim picked Travelling rather fast. How do you learn testing except in a group setting? In a few years in saldea? And why was he so confident with rand and the saldeans all ready to kill him unless he was warded? Rand couldn't do any of that without Asmodean's teaching. Who taught taim? Logain is aware how much he knows, he couldn't accept that rand with a few yrs of channeling knew enough to cleanse th taint that couldn't be done in the AOL.
Perhaps you should reconsider your stand. Jordan doesn't give answers to those questions which he wants to save for later, or might change his mind on. He's given the exact same answer about Taimandred many times -- obviously, he's more than fine with us knowing that Taim is not Demandred. Continuing in such delusion is just that: deluding yourself.
A: No, that is totally bogus. A: I was surprised For example: Taim can be Forsaken trained rather than being an actual Forsaken. A: Taim has slowed, but one thing I am not going to reveal it in the books, so I'll tell you, men slow later than women do. And yes, he has slowed, and he is in his late twenties, yes his late twenties. Taim is Taim. Taim is almost certainly Forsaken trained. What's else there to reconsider? The entire argument, every single point , of Taimandred has been revoked and shown as false.
Well Taim may be demandred but I blieve it more lickly he would be Morridin. For a couple of reasons, one being what he makes the people wear: rd and black, these are colors assciated with Morridin. This would be associated with taim in the begging of one of the books can't remeber which where he is playing the old game with the fisher, and trying to control it and win the gam into where the DO would win. Also if Memory serves Demondred was more combat and millitiristic and was honored and insulted from the honors of LTT.
So when Taim said:"I sent him away, Taim said. I can barely avoid stabbing myself, and I've never felt the lack. They have the power, now. LIke Ishmeal was in the age of Legends. Also LTT would have a bigger revenge fettish against someone who made him kill his wife and all of his kin like Ishmeal did.
Demandred for the insults of the Age of Legends and Asmoden would hate Rands guts for binding him asmoden against his will for his suirvival against the wreath of the other Forsaken.
Type: Q and A Session Questioner: Isabela Q: Was Taimandred a deliberate ruse to lead your readers astray, or were you surprised by the all of the theories connecting Taim to Demandred? As far as the series is presently concerned, the majority of proof still points to taimandred! It would take RJ some juggling to come up with anything else and likely still wouldn't wash. Not unless Taim developed the same hatred for LT that demandred had as evidenced by perrin's nose among others and LT suddenly transfered his feelings for demandred to Taim.
But hold on to it if you wish. Trained enough to intimidate osan'gar? And if you want to claim one of the forsaken sent him, why then does he resent playing second fiddle to rand so? Separating the two will only raise more Qs. Alright everyone this is my first posting. I have to say most of the evidence in the books seems to point to Taim being Demandred. Jordan's comments seem to defuse that. So at this point all the arguments for and against have been laid on the table and I think the question now is--how do you explain Taim acting SO MUCH like Demandred if he's not Demandred.
Perhaps Demandred used some sort of Compulsion that imprints a portion of his persoality onto Taim or makes a link with him that allows him at times to directly control him.
I don't have the books with me to get quotes, but the wording from some of the chapters with Taim is eerily similar to the wording in the section about Demandred in the reference book. I just find it strange that RJ would make Taim act so much like Demandred without some sort of connection. If anyone has any ideas let me know. If I sound ridiculous let me know too.
Those like Cyndane and Moghedien. And being assoicated with Moridin is not the same as being Moridin. Taim really isn't one for manipulating Rand so much, unless it's in one key area and even then it's not so much manipulating Rand but working towards the goal of : splitting Rand from the Aes Sedai. That's in line with what the Shadow stands to benefit -- hardly actions specific to an individual.
But there are many problems with Moridin being Taim, two obvious ones being: 1. Taim has been in the series throughout the time Ishamael is dead, and even mentioned prior to this.
We've seen him on screen since Lord of Chaos, and he was clearly an actual figure throughout The Fires of Heaven since Bashere was chasing him. All through this, there's a clear fact: Ishamael was dead. Moridin did not appear on the screen until A Crown of Swords, and being generous might have a timeline that extends to late Lord of Chaos but that's being very generous with speculation.
Taim, again, showed up in the very first chapters of Lord of Chaos. He's there for about a month before it's even likely Dashiva showed up.
How can Moridin be factoring into this, since he was awaiting transmigration at the time? Taim still exhibits the characteristics of Taim. It was not large among palaces, but most nobles lived in buildings far smaller and less grand. Would be quite a strange thing if Moridin was designing palaces this way. Yes, you're refusing to deal with the overabundance of directly stated interview questions for Because you don't want to?
And you try to phrase this as if I'm the one whose delusional, here. The majority of nothing points to Taim being Demandred. It's like saying if you eliminate all the evidence against it, the books clearly point to Egwene being the Dragon Reborn! It would not take Jordan some "juggling" for the completely circumstantial and greatly puffed up theory that is Taimandred to be completely wrong -- after all, he's stated it at least FOUR TIMES that we have on record here.
There couldn't possibly have been a Forsaken that was freed since around NE about 15 years before the series began. Oh, no, wait there was: Ishamael. Maybe that is why Taim has connotations of Forsaken, and still utilizes Moridin's colors -- because he was trained by Ishamael, who is Moridin.
There's more than enough time for Taim to be a Forsaken trained Dreadlord. Because Taim is an ambitions bastard? Because Taim is an arrogant bastard? It's not some impassable point that Taim just hates Rand and hates playing the charade that he does. How much fatigue does a channeler have to go through for it to show? I don't know, and I really don't care -- Jordan specifically said that it did. How long has Taim been channeling?
Quite an important question, and one that isn't known yet. Point is that Taim is in his late twenties, and his age was due to being travel worn. Why did the Black Ajah go to so much effort to free him? Maybe because they were ordered to by someone who knew what Taim was and how he could be important? Someone who wanted him freed, and didn't like that he was trapped? Maybe someone who had previously been using Taim before for their own goals? Would Demandred watch Rand by proxy?
I don't see why not he is known for using them And there's always the possibility that Demandred is watching Rand directly anyway -- just not as Taim. And it's pathetic to say that Demandred is watching over Rand, so he must be Taim. Taim hasn't seen Rand in going on 4 books now. Taim's almost entirely been off by himself with the Black Tower -- not watching Rand. It seems perfectly suited to be a statement to no one, but is truly just you voicing your own thoughts.
Again, there's nothing to reconsider. There are at least four direct statements by Jordan saying that Demandred is not Taim. Every single "reason" and argument for Taimandred has been completely refuted. The only people that persist in the nonsense are ones like you who have to exclude half of what they do not want to deal with because they cannot give up their delusions. The "evidence" for Taim being Demandred is entirely circumstantial.
Quite a lot of people have these same reactions. Taim is Forsaken trained. That right there is all you need to know. He uses the same phrasings for somethings and why not if he spent several years training with Demandred or Ishmael. And if your refering to the "so-called Aeil" statement, any of the forsaken might have used that phrase too. So I don't believe it is too far of a stretch to say that Taim could have just picked up their attitudes by training with them.
And we know Osan'gar was killed in WH. Not to mention, as far as we know, Asmo cannot be reborn in any fashion because the DO said so himself in the end of LoC. So I'm pretty sure you missed the mark there. Look at the first three books, he never once posed as someone else to get to Rand.
He may have had some hand in training Taim, since we know Taim most likely got some training before Demandred escaped the bore. And we know he is considered on of the more successful darkfriends, so he could have a close connection to the forsaken even if he isn't one of them. Mainly, it just seems as if Ishy has bigger things to plan right now, rather than assume the identity of Taim.
I would have no problem leaving it at that except for one thing -- the thing that starts him on this fit of rage is when Rand says that since he is the first Asha'man, that makes Taim the second. It's not just a simple dislike of not being on top, it's an absolute personal hatred of being second to a specific individual for your whole life. I could understand Taim being irritated by that comment, but to go into this fit of rage over it can't be explained by just arrogance or being trained by the Forsaken.
I'm not arguing for Taimandred here, but I just feel that there has to be more of a connection there somehow. Just the feeling I get. Oh, that's right, I have it as part of my signature. And if the best you're reduced to is saying "It's complicated" as some from of objection, when what your advocating has been completely ruled out, do what is left to you: sulk.
And even the implication that Taim being Demandred is somehow more simple is quite laughable. Taim is still Taim You're entire argument is that Taim's "fit of rage" which hardly fits what happened in the first place is so out of the ordinary that it is distinct to what Demandred's past is like. So, if it's distinct to just Demandred, and Taim is expressing it, and you're arguing for this I think you left out the punch line where you said "Taim is Demandred.
Callandor, assuming Taim isn't demandred, what do we have? We have Taim sharing same hook nose profile with demandred. Why does he share the same half smile? And of course the hatred they both have for LTT and viceversa just happens to be coincidence based on the fact that Taim was trained by an arrogant cuss or some such. BTW, where did you get evidence he's forsaken trained? When was he trained? Perhaps he was trained in captivity?
I mustn't forget. RJ says there no new forsaken, something about being contemptous of channelers of this age-yet dashiva went against rand on his orders.
You know if RJ admits he's been playing aes sedai word games on this one, you'll going to be very red in the face. If he dont, the series will do a little somersault.
They both have hooked noses? Is this the best you can do, really? Look to Bashere, Faile, Deira -- or do this short cut: look to just about any Saldaean, because they standardly have hooked noses. Taim is Saldaean. No way we can explain this match with him and Demandred Half smile?
Again, another thing that is hardly unique like, say, one eye or one arm. Rand has done it, Mat has done it, Aram has done it, Fain has done it, Elayne has done it, Laras has done it, Leane has done it, etc. Do you want to include "small" smiles? How about grimaces? More and more and more and more. And the examples I gave were just up till The Fires of Heaven. It can be from just Taim's inside knowledge of what he is doing which is NOT being Demandred for one , not just because it so magically has to be that Taim is Demandred.
Where is Taim said to hate Lews Therin? Demandred transfered his hate to Rand, yes, but whoopie. To sow chaos, he freed the Male Ayyad , who took the name "The Freed" and taught them to channel. He met Shendla , who became one of his strongest supporters and his lover. The Dark One told him of things to come, of who would live and who would die. Seventeen days later Demandred met with Mesaana and Semirhage and formed an alliance with them. Other than ordering the death of Rand al'Thor at least once, his plans and identity remained unrevealed until the beginning of The Last Battle.
Sammael once thought to himself that "events to the south" were almost certainly the work of Demandred; Sammael was in Arad Doman at the time. He probably refers to Mazrim Taim's orders to join Rand and help build the Asha'man. Sammael mentions another man involved in these events and it is later revealed that Demandred was the one to recruit Taim shortly before Sammael's meeting with Graendal.
During the Last Battle, Demandred indicates that he has been giving to him all along. At a meeting with the other Forsaken , Aran'gar comments that Demandred and Osan'gar had been charged with watching Rand. The only open action Demandred undertook prior to The Last Battle was to appear at the Battle near Shadar Logoth when al'Thor cleansed saidin , nearly getting himself killed by some of Rand's guards.
He attends the meeting with the other Chosen in Tel'aran'rhiod , which is made to look like the Ansaline Gardens. There he is told that Rand is not to be harmed and that Matrim Cauthon and Perrin Aybara are to be killed if found. The prophecies of the Wyld stated that the Wyld would walk the path, enter the Hearttomb and retrieve the piece of Sakarnen that was hidden there.
When Demandred entered Rai'lair, he battled one of the ancient guardians of the tomb, an adult Jumara , and killed one Green Man.
He returned to his people at sunset on the third day. He is summoned to the Blight to meet with Moridin and Mesaana and is forbidden by Moridin to rescue Semirhage from Rand. During the meeting he also stated that his rule is secure and he gathers his troops for war. Moridin gathers the last of the Chosen within one of his dreamshards. Demandred and M'Hael already knew each other before the meeting and it is revealed that it was Demandred who brought M'Hael to the Shadow.
The unfamiliar female Chosen present is named Hessalam, who is actually Graendal in a new body. Moghedien is placed under Demandred's command. Moridin then demands that all other plots and plans by the Chosen are to be concluded and that they are to unite for The Last Battle against the forces of the Light. Demandred appears leading the Sharan forces against the White Tower army on the Kandori battlefront. As the forces of the Tower appear to be routing the Trolloc army, a massive gateway opens and an army of Sharans pour out and overrun the White Tower camp, executing all captives in a brutal fashion.
Demandred discovers Leane as the Sharans are still securing the Aes Sedai camp and easily captures her. He then tells her to relay a message to the Dragon Reborn. He challenges Rand al'Thor to combat, revealing himself as someone he once knew as Barid, confirming his identity.
As Rand was already at the Bore, this message was never delivered. When the battle resumes at Merrilor, he is eventually pitted in tactics against Mat. The numerical superiority of Demandred's forces, combined with his tactical acumen and the Sakarnen, gave him what appeared to be a decisive advantage.
However, Mat managed at every turn to keep from being overrun, which confused Demandred. This caused him to make the critical mistake of not making a direct, personal attack on Mat's command post, as he believed that Rand was attempting to bait him into making just such an assault, and also believed that he had the battle under control.
Even after learning that Mat was the one leading the forces of the Light, he assumed that Mat was either Rand in disguise, or that Rand was feeding Mat information. Besides commanding troops, he acted during the battle as a piece of human artillery, cutting swaths through Mat's forces while leading a full circle of seventy two and wielding a powerful sa'angreal : Sakarnen. One of the most notorious incidents was capturing two cities and feeding them to the Trollocs.
His reason? He believed that they had slighted him before the war LoC, Ch. To him, this was a completely suitable fate for these people.
Demandred believed that anyone who slighted him should be punished. Like all of the other Forsaken , Demandred holds high hopes of being named Nae'blis. Though that hope must have been dimmed somewhat upon Moridin 's ascension, he no doubt still hopes that he may one day achieve this station. Like all of the other Forsaken, Demandred is very strong in the One Power, stronger than most of the men who can channel in today's world. We do not know his exact standing among the Forsaken, but it is safe to say that, no matter how powerful a channeler he is, he is less powerful than Ishamael and Moridin.
He is also known to have a Talent that only three others possess: Lews Therin and therefore Rand and Semirhage. Aside from the One Power, Demandred was a good military general. He had the skills and intellect, and put them to good use both for the Light, and against the Light. Demandred hated Lews Therin Telamon with a deep vengeance, his only reason being that Lews Therin achieved greater success than he did. Demandred is also known to have wanted Ilyena , Lews Therin's wife, to himself.
All in all, Lews Therin was the reason that Demandred turned to the Shadow. Rand thinks to himself that if he had "offered a hand instead of a smirk," or "congratulated instead of competed," perhaps Berid Bel would not have turned to the Shadow and become Demandred AMoL, Ch.
Demandred hates Rand as he hated Lews Therin. His hatred pretty much simply shifts from one to the other This passage needs a reference. He is not known to have a particularly good relationship with the other Forsaken, especially Sammael. This most likely arises from the fact that, during the War of Power, both Demandred and Sammael were military generals, and both wanted the honor of killing Lews Therin This passage needs a reference.
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