Asked 7 years, 10 months ago. Active 4 years, 11 months ago. Viewed 54k times. Furthermore, Luke seems to stress elsewhere in his gospel that Joseph is the one who is descended from David Improve this question. Dan 8, 4 4 gold badges 48 48 silver badges bronze badges. Kevin Aenmey Kevin Aenmey 1 1 gold badge 2 2 silver badges 7 7 bronze badges.
You might be interested in this article. Kevin, can you give us some examples of people who contend that Luke is referencing Mary's genealogy? Add a comment. Active Oldest Votes. Joachim and Anna Early theologians and scholars believed that Mary was born to Joachim and Anna as a result of fervent prayers in their old age.
Luke , ESV The NET translators point out concerning the translation of this text, The parenthetical remark as was supposed makes it clear that Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus. Clement of Alexandria expressed this early view, writing, "And in the Gospel according to Matthew, the genealogy which begins with Abraham is continued down to Mary the mother of the Lord.
Improve this answer. Dan Dan 8, 4 4 gold badges 48 48 silver badges bronze badges. Six points to note about this statement : 1 - The differences between Luke and Matthew are very large , indicating that these are different people Joseph and Mary If Lucas had the evil intention of forging a genealogy, he would have made a like Matthew, but it is totally different after passing through David.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David" Luke 5 - One possibility is that when Lucas put "son of Heli" he was referring to Jesus.
But the Greek allows another alternative translation, which solves the problem. Regarding point 4. The angel makes no mention at all of Mary being the biological daughter of David, let alone being emphatic about it.
Kevin Aenmey It's true. I've edited the answer — vs Joseph Joseph 16k 31 31 silver badges 85 85 bronze badges. Have you considered this possibility? Sarah - Thank you for the reference. My question would be: How would Jesus receive legal title to the throne of David, were he Joseph descended from Nathan, who was not in the royal line of kings? That is, 1 Chr is the initial fulfillment of the David Covenant 2 Sam , which identified Solomon as the exclusive heir to the throne.
How would you otherwise see Jesus as inheriting the throne of David? I do not think that mere biological relationship to David was sufficient, but that one be in the line of those anointed through the line of Solomon. Quite in keeping with your concern, the article I linked to suggests that the lineage in Matthew is of Mary, Jesus Biological mother, rather than that of Joseph as has been traditionally thought.
The Aramaic word is "man" and Mr. Younan demonstrates that this can mean "husband" or "father. Thus the lineage of Matthew is more logically of Mary. The account in Matthew does then trace Jesus biological lineage through the line of David and of Solomon through Mary his mother.
Jack Douglas Johnny fritts Johnny fritts 29 1 1 bronze badge. Welcome to Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange! Be sure to take our site tour to learn more about us. We're a little different from other sites. We're looking for a bit more in answers. One of our distinctives is that we ask answers to show their work on this site. Don't just tell us what you know, tell us how you know it. Please expand this after reading more about our site. If it were Mary's genealogy, and it is important and it is , then why didn't the NT explicitly tell you that it was her genealogy?
Yes, there is a big problem. Luke's presentation should be understood as: Luke Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son as was supposed of Joseph-son-of-Jacob, [but in fact] of Heli, …. Michael16 Michael16 2, 2 2 gold badges 12 12 silver badges 32 32 bronze badges. Vicky Bell Vicky Bell 7 1 1 bronze badge.
In Judaism, adoption gave all the same legal rights to the adopted children as was to be given to the biological. Thank you for this resource. A child adopted by a kohen cannot become a kohen. Jesus is a descendant of His grandfather. God designed families to bring new life into the world. His design includes grandmothers, grandfathers, and their parents and their ancestry. Genealogies should not be dull and boring! They represent family, love, kindness, life, and some day the saints of the ages will be together as one great family.
Moses had instructed the Israelites to teach their children about God when he said,. Hear, O Israel! These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. Deuteronomy NASB. Spiritual teaching is not the sole role of the Sunday School, the Christian School, the church leaders, or the pastor.
The primary responsibility belongs to the parents. Notice that God says we are to teach spiritual truth at all times: sitting in our house, walking by the way, lying down, and getting up. We can only do that at home. Parents are to train their children in scriptural things. Otherwise, they will become adults with sinful hearts and polished external behavior. Unfortunately, the inner person will eventually become visible. Our English Bibles do not translate Proverbs correctly. Everyone has a bent toward evil.
Each one is unique. We are not born as good people. In the Litanies of Loreto we find the advocation "Tower of David," meaning Mary is compared to a not further known building of old Jerusalem used in the Song of Songs to describe the beauty of the bride 4,4. All About Mary includes a variety of content, much of which reflects the expertise, interpretations and opinions of the individual authors and not necessarily of the Marian Library or the University of Dayton.
Please share feedback or suggestions with marianlibrary udayton. Athletics Overview Dayton Flyers. Why do they say Jesus was the king of the Jews? To which Jews are they referring? Also, as far as the line of David goes, can we trace Mary and Joseph back to David? Were they even from any tribe at all? I am going to assume that in your first question you are asking whether there was a legitimate Davidic king over the Jewish people during the Second Temple period. If this is in fact your question, the answer is no.
Although there was a royal crown held by both the dynasty of the Hasmoneans and Herod, they were not legitimately anointed kings over the Jewish people, because they were not heirs to the Davidic throne. Rather, they were priests descendants from the tribe of Levi, not Judah. The answer to your second question is the Sanhedrin was the Jewish court system in the land of Israel, not the seat of a king. With regard to your third question, when Christians refer to Jesus as king of the Jews, they are asserting, in essence that Jesus was the messiah, and the final heir to the throne of David.
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